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[00:00:00.800] - Oliver (Host)
Welcome back to English and Beyond, an intermediate-level English podcast for people who are learning English as a foreign language. As with every episode, I'm publishing a transcript online so you can read along in case you find the episode hard to understand. That transcript is available at www.morethanalanguage.com, and you can also reach me at oliver@morethanalanguage.com. My name is Oliver, and I'm here with César today, as I usually am. This is a little bit of an unusual episode, though, not only, firstly, because as you maybe can hear, I have almost entirely lost my voice. You may have heard that in the last episode, in fact, that it was starting to go - and it's gone. But also because unlike all the other times that we have recorded an episode together, I'm not going to begin with a long speech, with a spiel, about the topic that we're going to discuss, and the reason for that is that this week, what we're going to discuss is us, our relationship, which some of you, if you've already listened to the Spanish podcast, you'll know a little bit about that already. This is totally unscripted, so get ready for awkward silences, potentially, and us having absolutely no idea of where the conversation is going to go.
[00:01:32.840] - Oliver (Host)
So, César, firstly, I should ask you, how are you?
[00:01:36.940] - César (Guest)
I've been better.
[00:01:38.780] - Oliver (Host)
Why have you been better?
[00:01:39.460] - César (Guest)
Well, because over the last few days, I have been feeling under the weather.
[00:01:47.150] - Oliver (Host)
Not very well.
[00:01:48.470] - César (Guest)
Yeah, I've been a bit ill with different symptoms that got better, some of them.
[00:01:54.640] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, a great variety of symptoms.
[00:01:57.260] - César (Guest)
We're not going to discuss it.
[00:01:59.130] - Oliver (Host)
We're going to be English because in your Spanish podcast, you'd probably go through in minute detail all of the things that are all wrong with you with no regard for what people think about that. But we need to bring an English culture and English people are squeamish about bodily functions. So you felt unwell, basically, and you leave it as that. Yeah, exactly. That's true. In fact, it's a funny day for us to choose to do an episode about our relationship, isn't it? Because we actually had an argument today, which is very rare for us.
[00:02:32.830] - César (Guest)
So we are recording this when our mouth still feels the bitterness of the argument.
[00:02:40.450] - Oliver (Host)
Well, we could just say we're recording it through grit teeth. Exactly. Hopefully, you can't hear the grinding of jaws. So, it's actually, as I said, it's very rare for us to have an argument. We've been going out, we've been together for eight years, almost now. I don't know about you: in past relationships, have you argued a lot?
[00:03:07.300] - César (Guest)
No, not really.
[00:03:08.630] - Oliver (Host)
Okay. I mean, you're relatively conflict-averse, I guess.
[00:03:12.750] - César (Guest)
Yeah.
[00:03:13.450] - Oliver (Host)
Which means... I know you know, César, but maybe the audience doesn't, but someone who might avoid conflict or doesn't enjoy a good fight.
[00:03:22.210] - César (Guest)
Yeah, no, I don't like conflict. I don't even like conflict when it has nothing to do with me.
[00:03:28.070] - Oliver (Host)
Like watching it on television?
[00:03:30.080] - César (Guest)
Yeah, or not on television. I can deal with that. But if a couple of friends are arguing in front of me, I find it quite awkward and uncomfortable. No, I'm getting better at this. I think I don't argue a lot because I think I'm quite patient and I try to listen. I try to find compromises. No?
[00:03:54.250] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, you are. You are a very patient person. It's true. I think that one of the strengths of our relationship is that I think we're actually both quite good at compromising...eventually. But I grew up in a household very different from yours. So arguments were a daily occurrence, both emotional ones, but also just we liked a good debate, we liked a good fight. It was really only when I got out of that environment that I realised that other people don't act like that, passionately shouting at someone across the dinner table about why they're wrong. In In most places, it's impolite, and I needed to actually realise that when I was 17, 18. But now I think I've gotten much better at that now as well.
[00:04:40.190] - César (Guest)
Yeah, you control your pointing finger much more.
[00:04:43.760] - Oliver (Host)
I don't point at anyone anymore.
[00:04:45.910] - César (Guest)
It actually makes a huge difference because you can actually... It's easier to win an argument or a debate, as you put it, when you are calm and you're just...
[00:04:58.160] - Oliver (Host)
I think in reality, I've always been calm. For me, I don't know what you think, but I think it's like dialling down the passion a little bit, especially when sometimes things, a topic doesn't even matter to me that much, but I get - you know - I get interested in the analysis of an argument, and I don't find it so awful to argue as you do. I don't mind picking a start someone's words and saying, "But you said this", and I don't mind someone doing it to me. I think that's the difference, right? But anyway, so we met eight years ago. Where did we meet?
[00:05:43.840] - César (Guest)
We met in Valencia, my hometown. You were there visiting?
[00:05:48.360] - Oliver (Host)
Exactly.
[00:05:49.780] - César (Guest)
I was living there at the time.
[00:05:52.510] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah. It's funny because you had been living in London. I was living in Germany when I was there on holiday. I had planned to travel around the whole country. As I've told you before, César, I've always thought that Spanish guys, and Spanish people, in fact, in general, are really incredibly beautiful. I had intended to travel around the whole country, going for dates, practising my Spanish, meeting lots of Spanish people.
[00:06:17.820] - César (Guest)
Different accents.
[00:06:18.620] - Oliver (Host)
Exactly. Can't go to Andalucia, go to the Basque country, and meet beautiful people from all over the country. But unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on your perspective, I met you on the very first day, right? And then never left Valencia. We had some, well, probably in my mind, much more awkward conversations than they actually were, because I feel like at the end of every week, I would try to subtly say to you, "I'm thinking of hanging around for a few days more in Valencia. What would you think about that?"
[00:06:52.120] - César (Guest)
When I think about it, I don't even remember those conversations. That means that I probably didn't find it awkward at all. I just thought, "Okay, this guy wants to stay here." I guess I knew you were into me because I fancied you back as well. But I didn't find it awkward at all. It was quite fun.
[00:07:13.120] - Oliver (Host)
I guess I had my mom who I was talking to on the phone all the time, keeping me from being too intense. I was using her as a venting mechanism so that I could ring her up and say all the things that I couldn't say because I needed to play it cool. And she would say, "Okay, you have to be sane. You can't be too much."
[00:07:36.870] - César (Guest)
You did a great job then.
[00:07:38.050] - Oliver (Host)
Thank you. And then I went back to Germany. At the end of five weeks, you came to visit me a couple of times.
[00:07:44.120] - César (Guest)
Yes. For the first time. It was my first time in Germany.
[00:07:48.400] - Oliver (Host)
We went to Berlin. I lived in Frankfurt, and you came to Frankfurt. And I think it's fair to say you didn't love Frankfurt.
[00:07:56.360] - César (Guest)
No. I mean, it was my first time in Germany, and I just thought of Germany as something else, something completely different.
[00:08:04.520] - Oliver (Host)
From Frankfurt?
[00:08:05.620] - César (Guest)
Yeah.
[00:08:06.090] - Oliver (Host)
Oh, that's interesting.
[00:08:07.690] - César (Guest)
But it is to that when the bus dropped me off in a place that it was actually quite dodgy, full of strange people
[00:08:14.810] - Oliver (Host)
What, Germans?
[00:08:16.930] - César (Guest)
No, no. Well, Germans, yeah. But it was like-
[00:08:20.270] - Oliver (Host)
It's very international. Are you talking about the train station?
[00:08:23.570] - César (Guest)
Yes, the train station. But there were many brothels with prostitutes. There were people with issues. You didn't feel safe at all in that place. That was my very first impression of Germany.
[00:08:36.850] - Oliver (Host)
I think that's actually quite typical of German cities. I don't know, but I think that lots of Germans used to tell me that the region around the train station is quite often quite a rough neighbourhood. But yeah, it's true. My favourite restaurant in Frankfurt was right there in the middle of the neighbourhood around the train station.
[00:08:56.800] - César (Guest)
I remember.
[00:08:57.490] - Oliver (Host)
It was opposite a needle exchange. And people sometimes would come and shoot up, inject, outside the restaurant's windows.
[00:09:06.900] - César (Guest)
Drugs?
[00:09:06.900] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, with drugs. And it was an interesting environment, but the noodles were amazing.
[00:09:13.340] - César (Guest)
It grew on me, it grew on me, Germany. Because you showed me around and it was nice. Then we went to Berlin and it was rainy all the time. I really want to go back to Berlin because...
[00:09:28.990] - Oliver (Host)
I love Berlin, but I actually... I've done Berlin in kind of two different ways, as I think lots of people do, like the cultural trip and then the clubbing trip. And obviously it's so famous for clubbing, but I have to say I really actually enjoy every time, more the - the kind of - the cultural trips because it is really interesting as a city. I would really be very happy to go back to Berlin as well. Maybe we can go for our anniversary.
[00:09:56.720] - César (Guest)
Okay.
[00:09:57.210] - Oliver (Host)
Then eventually, what happened?
[00:09:59.820] - César (Guest)
Well, we were on a long distance relationship.
[00:10:03.960] - Oliver (Host)
In a long distance.
[00:10:04.920] - César (Guest)
In a long distance relationship over 18 months or so. I was in Barcelona. You were in Frankfurt, in Germany, and we decided to quit our jobs.
[00:10:17.720] - Oliver (Host)
Before you got there, actually, though, it was quite cool that long distance relationship because we would basically just look to find where the cheapest place was that we could fly to. We would meet. We went a few different interesting places.
[00:10:31.960] - César (Guest)
You came to see me in Barcelona many times. I think you came to Barcelona more times than I went to Germany, probably.
[00:10:39.090] - Oliver (Host)
I already had a love for Spain, obviously.
[00:10:41.570] - César (Guest)
Then we met somewhere like in Berlin or-
[00:10:46.780] - Both
Milan.
[00:10:47.130] - Oliver (Host)
We went to Glasgow.
[00:10:48.320] - César (Guest)
Glasgow as well for our first anniversary, actually.
[00:10:51.050] - Oliver (Host)
Exactly. I think that was... I mean, Frankfurt had an amazing airport as well. You could go everywhere. Yeah, it was quite good, actually, that travelling. We saw each quite a lot, contributing a lot to the climate crisis...
[00:11:04.120] - César (Guest)
Yeah, we were worse than Taylor Swift.
[00:11:05.750] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, exactly. But yeah, so then-
[00:11:09.430] - César (Guest)
Did you find it hard to be in a long distance relationship for over a year? Because for me, it was actually... I mean, I was very busy all the time, and so were you.
[00:11:22.210] - Oliver (Host)
No, exactly. I didn't find it hard at all to be honest.
[00:11:24.200] - César (Guest)
We talked a lot. We talked every evening and in the morning.
[00:11:29.340] - Oliver (Host)
No, I found it really easy, to be honest. Very efficient, I would say.
[00:11:34.500] - César (Guest)
Very German.
[00:11:35.330] - Oliver (Host)
Very German. No, I actually... Obviously, I enjoy more being here. We live together now, being here with you in the same country, but it really wasn't at all difficult. I think, again, that reflects the relationship that we have because I think it's, generally speaking, quite a low maintenance relationship.
[00:11:57.040] - César (Guest)
Easy.
[00:11:57.690] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, I think so. Hopefully, hopefully, you do, too, and you're not just saying that.
[00:12:03.730] - César (Guest)
He's very high maintenance.
[00:12:05.490] - Oliver (Host)
Well, I am high maintenance, I think, but I think we together are not.
[00:12:09.510] - Oliver (Host)
I'm kidding. I'm pulling your leg!
[00:12:12.300] - Oliver (Host)
Very good, nice idiom.
[00:12:13.590] - Oliver (Host)
I'm taking the mick!
[00:12:14.890] - Oliver (Host)
Oh, very - wow. Just thick and fast. So, what was I going to say? So we moved to London together.
[00:12:22.160] - César (Guest)
And the drama started.
[00:12:26.910] - Oliver (Host)
Well, it was...I, you know, we were -
[00:12:28.120] - César (Guest)
The soap opera.
[00:12:29.300] - Oliver (Host)
No, Don't say that. I think the first month was probably quite difficult for you, because you had come back to London and without going into the details, you'd left London originally for a family reason. Although actually you've spoken about it in an episode of the Spanish podcast, haven't you? But you left London for family reasons, and it was probably quite hard to then come back. We lived together immediately for the first time, and we lived with someone else as well, a very good friend of ours, who actually next week, I think, maybe the week after, is going to be appearing in an episode of this podcast.
[00:13:08.540] - César (Guest)
Exciting featuring. Yeah, it was hard. Not because I came back to London. It was hard because I was jobless, and I knew I was going to be jobless. But you were doing some career shift as well.
[00:13:23.510] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, I was training to be a teacher.
[00:13:25.040] - César (Guest)
Yeah, it was very, very stressful for you. It was stressful for me, not to have a job at the time and also other issues.
[00:13:36.870] - Oliver (Host)
It's funny, actually, because you used to teach, you used to do individual language classes online, didn't you?
[00:13:42.740] - César (Guest)
Well, first in person.
[00:13:45.320] - Oliver (Host)
I don't even... Oh, I do remember.
[00:13:46.970] - César (Guest)
I used to go to, especially kids, GCSE and A-level students.
[00:13:52.840] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, it's true. I know it's that American guy as well. Yeah. So loads of, it's true. It's true. And then you moved online to make it more efficient. And you were teaching so many classes.
[00:14:05.380] - César (Guest)
Yeah. Like six hours, seven hours per day.
[00:14:09.110] - Oliver (Host)
And then I can't remember why you decided to start your podcast, which in hindsight was obviously such a good idea.
[00:14:15.310] - César (Guest)
Yeah. Well, I started because I was listening to Hugo's podcast in French.
[00:14:20.310] - Oliver (Host)
Inner French.
[00:14:20.630] - César (Guest)
And I was like, I want this for my students. It's really good.
[00:14:23.840] - Oliver (Host)
It is a good podcast. Yeah. I mean, you've been a very loyal listener of his for a long time, haven't you?
[00:14:30.010] - César (Guest)
And now we're friends.
[00:14:31.510] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, they say, "Don't meet your heroes." But obviously, in this case, it's fine. And then eventually, we moved out of that flat and moved into this flat where we currently live, just the two of us. Yeah.
[00:14:47.180] - César (Guest)
Spent the pandemic here, the lockdown.
[00:14:50.100] - Oliver (Host)
Exactly.
[00:14:50.540] - César (Guest)
How many months was the lockdown?
[00:14:54.190] - Oliver (Host)
I think, well, there were a couple, weren't there?
[00:14:55.930] - César (Guest)
Only a couple?
[00:14:57.230] - Oliver (Host)
A couple of proper lockdowns, I think. I think it was just two.
[00:15:00.010] - César (Guest)
Because there were two different ones.
[00:15:01.090] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, but we had all of those different... When they had the tiers, like Tier one, Tier two.
[00:15:05.430] - César (Guest)
Yeah, that's true.
[00:15:06.560] - Oliver (Host)
All the different...
[00:15:07.380] - César (Guest)
And we found it, and this is part of the relationship story, no, because probably some relationships for some people, it was really difficult to spend so much time together. But in our case, it was quite easy as well.
[00:15:22.500] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, I think it's a little bit like going on holiday with your friends, right? That sometimes it makes your friendship much better. Sometimes it tears it apart.
[00:15:33.330] - César (Guest)
How do you call it? Make it or break it?
[00:15:35.060] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, make it or break it. Or make or break -
[00:15:38.380] - César (Guest)
Make or break.
[00:15:38.740] - Oliver (Host)
- period. Yeah. It was, again, very low-key, working from home and being in quarantine and everything like that together for us.
[00:15:50.400] - César (Guest)
Working out with very basic gym stuff.
[00:15:55.750] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, like those bungee cord things, the elastic cords. That's true. But it's quite funny, obviously, talking about your relationship, especially from the perspective that the actual primary purpose of talking about this is 'language acquisition', to help people who are learning a language. Hopefully, it's a somewhat interesting topic, but it's bizarre because obviously we're just talking about ourselves. As you know, I find that quite an odd... I mean, I find it quite weird to talk about myself. But actually, so far in the episodes that I've talked about, I've talked about things that are quite revealing about my psyche. I've talked about jealousy. I've talked about the things that make me angry with bosses and stuff like that.
[00:16:49.600] - César (Guest)
But you shouldn't worry about oversharing because people don't know who you are.
[00:16:54.080] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, but it really is so oversharing for me.
[00:16:57.150] - César (Guest)
I mean, I had this thought many, many times, and at the end of the day, I love hearing people's stories and people's lives.
[00:17:06.100] - Oliver (Host)
Other people's, you mean?
[00:17:07.880] - César (Guest)
Other people's, yeah. Because it makes me feel and think, "Well, I'm not alone. There are many weirdos out there."
[00:17:16.990] - Oliver (Host)
Well, with that [over-sharing] in mind, César, what is the hardest thing about going out with me?
[00:17:20.850] - César (Guest)
Your moodiness. Sorry, let me think!
[00:17:25.430] - Oliver (Host)
"No, erm, that's so hard, there's so few things." My moodiness, okay. Elaborate: what is moodiness for someone who doesn't know what moodiness is?
[00:17:34.570] - César (Guest)
Well, if someone's state of mind is not very stable, it's a moody person. That person is a moody person. Their mood changes.
[00:17:44.020] - Oliver (Host)
That is a brutal definition of moodiness: "if someone is fundamentally unstable."
[00:17:50.680] - César (Guest)
I haven't said 'unhinged' or 'crazy'. I'm saying just like, you know that-
[00:17:57.830] - Oliver (Host)
Well, I think you can just say, sometimes I'm in a good mood, sometimes in a bad mood. No?
[00:18:03.020] - César (Guest)
Yeah.
[00:18:04.190] - Oliver (Host)
I mean, if you want to say I'm unstable, then you can say, I'm unstable.
[00:18:08.080] - César (Guest)
I think unstable is different. I think it will be very difficult to have a relationship with someone unstable that. It might happen as well.
[00:18:20.100] - Oliver (Host)
I guess, yeah. People will go through periods of instability.
[00:18:25.180] - César (Guest)
It's manageable. Your moodiness is manageable.
[00:18:29.160] - Oliver (Host)
My mom listens to this podcast like a good supportive mother, and I know she'll have been nodding furiously. "Yes, so moody, so moody. It's true." My boss as well, I hope she doesn't listen, given the last episode. But she also, I think, would describe me as moody, and I would too. I think the thing is, I remember actually when I went to Barcelona to learn Spanish before I met you, I just went for a month to have some lessons. I remember my teacher in that class saying - and he presented it as a positive - but he was like, "Every morning when you come in, I know immediately when I look at you what your day has been like or your morning has been like; you're very bad at hiding your emotions." Even if I'm trying to be polite or something - well, I should say, I try really hard always to be polite, so it's not like if I'm in a bad mood, I take it out on anyone - but I think you can see me if I've had a sad morning, then I will be very negative towards myself. I think that that is very clear. Is that true? Do you think? Yeah, I agree.
[00:19:38.800] - César (Guest)
You are always polite, that's true. With other people.
[00:19:44.650] - Oliver (Host)
But - I'll edit that out.
[00:19:47.870] - César (Guest)
What about me?
[00:19:51.260] - Oliver (Host)
...See, I've given a polite pause to think about it. I actually think that it's probably something related as well, a moodiness as well, because I think it's just natural and human, isn't it? When you spend as much time with someone as we do, because obviously we live together, we're now working together.
[00:20:12.580] - César (Guest)
Yeah, you're allowed to be moody with your partner, with your family, with your friends.
[00:20:17.380] - Oliver (Host)
Exactly.
[00:20:17.860] - César (Guest)
You're not going to be moody when you're working or when you are -
[00:20:21.550] - Oliver (Host)
It's funny. I've said that to you before that I do feel bad sometimes because I think that you definitely see me at my worst, whereas I've got friends who I maybe see once once a month or something like that. They always see me just totally trying my hardest to be nice and funny. They never really see me at my worst, even though they're good friends of mine, because I always make an effort. But it's impossible to make an effort with your family and your partner all the time.
[00:20:48.070] - César (Guest)
Yeah, I agree.
[00:20:49.750] - Oliver (Host)
I'd probably say something quite similar. I've said it before, actually in the Spanish podcast, I think that you tend to hide your emotions until they burst out of you. And so I think you're more prone to that, kind of, emotional outburst than I am.
[00:21:05.050] - César (Guest)
Explosion.
[00:21:05.680] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah. But ultimately, it's another form of moodiness like mine, right?
[00:21:11.290] - César (Guest)
But we've talked about negative stuff, about each other, but let's be a bit more positive now. So what would be the trait that when you met me got your attention?
[00:21:29.500] - Oliver (Host)
I don't know. I'm going to give a very 'me' answer to this because I think physically, the first thing I thought about you was how really lovely and kind your eyes are, which is not the 'me' version of that answer yet. You do have absolutely lovely eyes, and I think lots of your audience thinks the same. You do have incredibly warm eyes, and everyone actually in my family who met you -
[00:21:56.330] - César (Guest)
Warm eyes.
[00:21:56.920] - Oliver (Host)
Warm eyes - said the same. But your eyes really remind me of my first ever boyfriend. I think that when I first saw you, I thought, "Wow, God, he's got exactly the same eyes as [insert name here]." That was, my very first impression of you was that. Then linked to that - and it's something that I still definitely think eight years later - you are definitely the kindest person I've ever met. I think that that's very unusual for someone to be able to say that about their partner. It's 100% the case. When I was growing up, I don't want to say that I wasn't looking for a kind partner, but I don't think I'd have listed it in the top three things because I think that my mom definitely raised me to be like, "You need to find someone good on paper, good job, blah, blah, blah."
[00:22:50.090] - César (Guest)
And I was jobless when you met-
[00:22:52.260] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, exactly. You were unemployed!
[00:22:54.300] - César (Guest)
That says a lot about you, and it's probably one of the things that I like the most about you as well. I don't think you've ever looked down on someone and you've never felt superior to someone, I've never felt dismissed because I was, for example, jobless and you were a high-qualified lawyer when we met.
[00:23:28.980] - Oliver (Host)
Although a very unhappy one.
[00:23:30.680] - César (Guest)
Yeah. I think that's a very nice trait to have.
[00:23:37.400] - Oliver (Host)
Well, thank you. That's nice.
[00:23:39.320] - César (Guest)
It seems like I'm saying this exactly the same thing as you said, but your eyes and the kindness in your eyes also made me think, "Oh, this guy might be it."
[00:23:53.480] - Oliver (Host)
Which - unlike with you - the audience cannot confirm. Exactly.
[00:23:57.510] - César (Guest)
We can leak your eyes.
[00:23:59.960] - Oliver (Host)
No, I think the good thing about being anonymous is that I can just choose someone's beautiful eyes and be like, "These are mine."
[00:24:08.020] - César (Guest)
Yeah, exactly.
[00:24:08.870] - Oliver (Host)
And who can prove that they're not-
[00:24:10.060] - César (Guest)
- they're not blue.
[00:24:11.210] - Oliver (Host)
Yeah, exactly. But interesting. Lovely. Do you know this reminds me of when we did an episode of the Spanish podcast once where it was 'remote'. I don't know if you remember that.
[00:24:23.750] - César (Guest)
I remember.
[00:24:23.930] - Oliver (Host)
I think you were in Spain.
[00:24:25.430] - César (Guest)
Yeah, because we received a homophobic comment.
[00:24:27.520] - Oliver (Host)
A homophobic comment.
[00:24:28.490] - César (Guest)
Yeah, homophobic comment.
[00:24:29.910] - Oliver (Host)
I can't - it was something like, why do you... What is it? Oh, I think it's because at the end of the call, you said, "Te quiero", I love you. And someone was like, why are you forcing this down our throats, this homosexuality? I actually - I mean, you're quite used to receiving not... You receive a massively higher number of positive comments than negative,
[00:24:56.180] - César (Guest)
Absolutely.
[00:24:56.280] - Oliver (Host)
But occasionally you do receive something negative, and I've actually got quite a thin skin, you can say. Like, those kinds of things affect me because I'm not used to it. I felt like, "Oh, my God, maybe I have done something wrong?" My mum, who is not at all emotional and not at all prone to public displays of affection, she surprised me because I told her about it and she was like, "Who the fuck does he think he is? It's your podcast. You can say 'Te quiero' if you want to." But it's funny because I feel the same way about this podcast, potentially, that I always feel very nervous, as I said before, especially because - and it shouldn't be this way, and I rationally know it shouldn't be this way - if we were a straight couple, I wouldn't be worried at all, particularly. But I do feel worried being gay, that I'll receive something negative about it, about an agenda or something like that, when I don't have one.
[00:25:52.230] - César (Guest)
We haven't been funded by anyone.
[00:25:55.610] - Oliver (Host)
Well, I wish.
[00:25:56.560] - César (Guest)
Exactly.
[00:25:59.520] - Oliver (Host)
But I don't know why I'm choosing to end on that. I don't know. It's fun to talk to you about these things, and I prefer doing it in English because obviously it's my native language, and I also like doing it anonymously so that it doesn't feel so personal somehow, even though obviously with us, with you, it's very personal. Okay?
[00:26:27.870] - César (Guest)
Yeah. Lovely.
[00:26:28.720] - Oliver (Host)
Are you happy?
[00:26:28.880] - César (Guest)
Lovely conversation. Yeah, I I feel happier than at the beginning of the episode.
[00:26:32.800] - Oliver (Host)
Okay, well, then it's just- Less moody. Yeah. If you're having an argument with your partner, instead of therapy, consider starting a podcast! As always, César, César, lovely to talk to you.
[00:26:49.310] - César (Guest)
Thank you. It was a pleasure.
[00:26:50.790] - Oliver (Host)
And we might not see you in next week's episode, but the week af[ter]? I can't remember. When am I? Oh, no, I think it's one more with you.
[00:26:59.470] - César (Guest)
I'll be back.
[00:26:59.440] - Oliver (Host)
You'll be back.
[00:27:00.000] - César (Guest)
Somewhere.
[00:27:00.710] - Oliver (Host)
At some point.
[00:27:01.180] - César (Guest)
Yeah, at some point.
[00:27:02.730] - Oliver (Host)
Okay. Well, thank you very much, César.
[00:27:05.930] - César (Guest)
Thank you.
[00:27:06.710] - Oliver (Host)
Bye-bye. Oh, and thank you, listener! Bye-bye!
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