E59: Do Europeans Even *Like* Each Other? (feat. French Mornings with Elisa)

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[00:00:02.720] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

What does it really mean to be European? Shared values, a shared history, or just a shared habits of basically thinking your neighbours are doing everything wrong? Because if we're honest, Europe is a continent built as much on competition as on cooperation. We disparage each other's food, we debate each other's politics, and we dissect each other's history. But we also inspire each other more than we'd like to admit, maybe. We share borders, trade, Eurovision, and a constant low-level competition over who does civilisation better, while secretly admiring the others for doing some things differently. But that tension, that mix of affection and annoyance, might actually be what holds Europe together. Not perfect harmony, but an endless argument that never quite breaks the friendship. And that's where today's conversation with a very special guest begins.

[00:01:02.680] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Welcome back to another special episode of English and Beyond, the advanced-level version of the podcast. As always, we have the transcript available online, as well as free flashcards if there's anything in the podcast that you find difficult to understand. And this is a special episode because we have our second special guest for a video episode ever. So thank you so much, Elisa, for agreeing to be here.

[00:01:26.240] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited. It kind of feels weird because I used to listen to your podcast, the Spanish version, so it feels like I'm inside it now. It's a really exciting thing.

[00:01:41.140] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

I did not know that.

[00:01:42.000] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Yeah, I'm a big fan.

[00:01:43.080] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

That's interesting.

[00:01:44.800] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

I did know. Elisa, is it the first time you are interviewed on an English podcast, a podcast in English?

[00:01:53.070] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

I think it is. I did one episode for Davide's podcast, but it was in Italian.

[00:02:01.340] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

Okay, in Italian, of course. I'm sure many people from your audience, you've got a huge audience who want to learn French with you. Many people will want to know how your English is and all that. So no pressure.

[00:02:14.080] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Yes, you never speak English online. Well, not publicly.

[00:02:19.520] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Well, actually, that's a nice little segue into the topic of the conversation, because I know that you and César and some other language teachers went on a very nice, kind of like, academic getaway where you kind of talked about all of the different parts of your job and you compared notes and you learnt from each other and taught each other. But there was a particular detail of this getaway that struck me, which is... César knows already what I'm going to be referring to. Do you know what I'm getting at?

[00:02:51.760] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Is it the language that we speak together?

[00:02:55.500] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Exactly. It is the language, or rather the language that you don't speak.

[00:02:58.940] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Oh, yeah.

[00:03:00.000] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Which is English. So this is like a little group of romance language teachers.

[00:03:06.480] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Exactly.

[00:03:06.940] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Tell me why you guys, either of you can tell me actually, why is it that English is verboten, it's forbidden in this little group.

[00:03:14.760] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Well, I'm going to tell the short version, but basically, I'm friends with... My first YouTube friends were Leo from Portuguese with Leo, Davide, which teaches Italian, and Elena, who has a... I don't know. I can't say she really teaches Spanish, but she has a channel about the Spanish language. We discovered when we first became friends that we all spoke Italian. And since we wanted to get better, we started speaking only in Italian because at that time my Spanish was not that good. And then, I don't know, little by little, we started meeting other people, realised that they also spoke other languages than English. So it was a good way to keep practising other languages with friends. And, yeah, the joke is that English is not allowed, but sometimes it is useful. We try to use it as less as possible.

[00:04:21.420] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

And all, apart from me, all of you speak Italian, French, Portuguese, Spanish as well.

[00:04:27.100] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

At different levels, yeah.

[00:04:27.860] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

Beautifully. Yeah, It was actually really good for me for my understanding of all these languages. I was speaking Spanish, I have to say, but you guys understood. But yeah, it was actually interesting because now we're going to talk about Europe. One of the most European things for me is the Erasmus experience. So Erasmus is a university exchange programme where people across Europe can swap places at their universities. So for example, I went to the UK before the UK left the EU, and someone from the UK, from that university, came to Spain to study. Normally, in these groups, the common language It doesn't matter if you are living the experience in Poland, Italy, or the UK, the common language is English because everyone can get by in English. But for this little group of teachers, English is the no-no.

[00:05:26.920] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Yeah, not like Erasmus, no.

[00:05:31.180] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

Did you do Erasmus?

[00:05:32.640] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

I wish I did, but I didn't get the chance because I only studied for two, three years, and it wasn't like in the university. It was something a bit more technical, so we didn't have that option.

[00:05:46.320] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

Okay.

[00:05:49.020] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Erasmus is an interesting thing because it's one of the things that I thought would come up today, because what sparked this episode for me is that we have an intermediate-level English podcast as well, where it's just a monologue. And I have done an episode on a very uncharacteristic topic or a very unusual topic, which is French-British Cooperation. So it's about things like Eurostar and Concorde, and the fact that... I don't know if you know this, actually, but France and the UK almost became one state a couple of different times in the 20th century.

[00:06:29.160] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

It - when?! In the 20th century?

[00:06:33.000] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Yeah, on two different occasions, I think.

[00:06:36.040] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Oh my God, I'm going to listen to that episode. It's so interesting.

[00:06:39.600] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Well, once during World War II, when basically there was a French government in exile, and it was put to the cabinet in France, would you like to become... Should we join a single country? I think also during the Suez crisis. Obviously, that would have been a really big change in history, and things that have happened in the 21st century may not have happened if France and UK had become a single state. But it would be very un-British of me to leave such a positive taste in the mouth when talking about French-British relations, right? So I thought it would be important to talk to you a little bit about rivalry, to talk about the negative side of that relationship, because it would be so uncharacteristic to talk about the positive, as I have done in that intermediate episode. We thought we'd bring in César as well and get a little bit of kind of holistic European rivalry, because it's not just there is... Well, actually, I'm going to start off by asking you, Elisa, do you think that - and this is something that I've talked about in this intermediate podcast, I'm interested to hear what you think - do you think that the French-British relationship is special?

[00:07:52.660] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

I think it is. I'm not sure it's the same in every, in both ways. I don't really know what the British think about the French. I'm sure it's not... Overall, I don't think it's very positive.

[00:08:09.040] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

They call you frogs, I think, right?

[00:08:11.920] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

I don't know how often or if it really is negative or if it's just a way of saying things. But I think it's the same way when French people talk about the Brits. It's usually never really positive, but in a friendly way. I don't think it's that serious.

[00:08:37.620] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Yeah, maybe a sibling rivalry because we're very similar countries in many ways. But I have a theory that I think the Brits are much more negative and a little bit more obsessed with the French.

[00:08:53.620] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Oh, really?

[00:08:54.140] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Yeah, whereas I think, yeah... Because I think that basically my point of view on it is that looking towards Europe, France is all that we see. And so France is Europe for the UK, whereas France has so many bordering European countries that the UK is just one of many.

[00:09:10.740] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

We have lots of rivalries with other countries. We're kind of in the middle and we have beef with everyone.

[00:09:19.360] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Yeah, exactly. What do you think about that, César? How do you perceive France and the UK as a Spaniard? Do you think there's a difference between the different countries, the relationships with them? How would you put it?

[00:09:33.540] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

Preparing this episode, I was thinking about the UK, and I couldn't really remember big rivalry moments. But with France, when I was very little, I remember watching on the television on news how the... It was probably like a commercial war, but basically the Spanish lorries trying to cross the border of France. They would get cut off by the French farmers and they would, you know, remove, take out all the fruit and throw it away. There was a really big commercial war between France and Spain. It was the first time that I thought, What is this? Why are these French people so mean to us? And then I remember talking about sports as well when Rafa Nadal, the famous Spanish tennis player, won Ronald...

[00:10:33.220] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Roland Garros.

[00:10:34.220] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

What is the name of the competition? Thank you.

[00:10:37.160] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

That sounds very different. Yeah, a very different (way) from Roland Garros that we would say.

[00:10:41.860] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

In Spanish, Roland Garros. He won Roland Garros, and I think he won over a French tennis player. And the whole audience, who was mainly French, was booing him. Everyone in Spain was outraged about French people as well, like, how are they so mean? Those are the two moments that came to mind when I was trying to think about the French rivalry. But yeah, obviously, there are also historical reasons because we had Napoleon, influenced the history of Spain. There are many things, but in general, I don't think we mind that much about French people. Recently, because of Brexit, I think, and you probably, Oliver, can say more about this, I think Spain has a worse vision of the UK than France.

[00:11:36.860] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Well, I don't think it's just because of Brexit, though, is it? Brexit is something that's quite interesting, and for the first time in the podcast, I think that we're going to talk about Brexit a little bit. But I think Spain does see Britain at its absolute worst because the way that we come on holiday and treat Spain, I could try to make excuses for what we do, but it is actually quite shocking. Obviously, to an extent, I think that any country that really wants to push a tourism industry does invite some of that in the sense of having very cheap drink deals and things like that. But it is crazy how British people behave when we come to Spain. It's like I'm suffering now with the hot weather in Spain. I feel very much a Brit abroad, and maybe it does do something to you. Maybe British people come here and they go crazy because of all of the heat. But that is otherwise a bit inexplicable for me. But you said something quite interesting, I think, when you were talking about the customs, and then you were talking about Roland Garros, about the French Open, because one of the things I was going to ask you is, or both of you, how much do you think something like the EU, something like Erasmus, and all of these different pan-European measures, they've removed things like that.

[00:12:58.200] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

So now you don't have those trade wars that the UK now is having, again, with France about fishing, for example, where it becomes a condition to all other relationships that the two countries have. You don't have that, but then you do still get booing at Roland Garros. So do you think that the EU and schemes like that have genuinely created a European identity, whereas before we were kind of lots of different warring tribes? Or do you think that it's a legal veneer, and then underneath that, those same rivalries still exist?

[00:13:40.880] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

I think I feel less European than I used to, which is weird. I don't know. I think there's still a feeling of belonging to Europe and being closer to your neighbours. I feel closer to...If I, let's say if I'm travelling to Asia and I meet other Europeans and I meet, for example, tourists from America, then I will feel closer to the Europeans. I would feel like an European when I'm far from Europe. But when I'm here, I don't think I feel as European as I used to in a way that when growing up, I don't know, I think because the creation of EU was still recent and everything. We would learn the anthem at school and that kind of stuff. I didn't do the Erasmus, but I had a language exchange experience in high school. I went three months to Berlin to learn German. Then my, what do you call that? My friend, my German friend, came to France for three months. That felt like a very-

[00:14:59.610] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

We used to call them, like, penpals. I don't know whether you were writing to them, but that's the old-fashioned word. So my mum would have a penpal in another country.

[00:15:10.840] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Then my penpal came to France, and that felt like a very European experience. But since I left school, I don't think I feel that European anymore.

[00:15:23.900] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

So do you feel specifically French, or do you just feel like you're opting out of any kind of like external identity?

[00:15:31.360] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

I feel Southern European, which is a bit different because I grew up in the south of France, and whenever I go to Spain, Italy, I feel at home in a way, because the food is close to what I'm used to and the drinks. And you know it's like olive oil and wine Europe, whereas Eastern Europe is a bit different, Northern Europe is a bit different. But culturally, I feel Southern European, I would say.

[00:16:04.760] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

Yeah, even the languages are more similar than some Eastern European countries, Northern European. Yeah, that's true. We actually said it a month ago when we went on this trip together in Portugal. Portugal felt like home, right? It was like being in Spain or France. In my case, I think the fact that I stayed in the UK for 10 years, I moved there. I did my Erasmus, but then I stayed because there was a huge financial crisis in Spain. Well, everywhere but in Spain it was even worse. 50% of people my age was unemployed. So the UK was for me - I became an immigrant then. I wasn't an student anymore, I was an immigrant. So the opportunity of going to a different country because of job, family, health reasons, for me, that's very expanding. Knowing that if I don't want to live in Spain for whatever reason, I can move to France or Italy or Poland. That makes me feel at peace as well. I don't think about my European identity that much. I think about my Spanish identity sometimes like, Oh, this is so Spanish, the thing I'm doing. Or sometimes if I compare my culture with an American from the States, for example, I would say, Oh, this is so European. I might say to that, I might say to this person, This is very European instead of, This is very Spanish.

[00:17:34.240] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

That's interesting actually, because I was going to ask you, and maybe you've answered it just now, whether you agreed with Elisa about if you're travelling outside of Europe and you bump into Europeans and you bump into some Americans, whether you feel closer to the Europeans, whether you feel more European than Western. Is that the case for you as well, César?

[00:17:54.880] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

Yeah, probably.

[00:17:57.140] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Because it's interesting because for me, I feel much more... When I've lived abroad, outside of Europe, when I lived in China, I had European friends, I had Chinese friends, and I had American friends, and I absolutely felt closest to the Americans. I think it's interesting that even though I could communicate with all of those people, there was a shared language with at least with everybody. Maybe it's because of the native Englishness and the similarities in our culture. But I think there is a special link between the US and the UK, even if it is unpopular right now to say or think that. But also that kind of reminds me to come back to the question, the question that you had, Elisa, about what British people think about France. And I think that it's interesting because in our increasingly polarised world and an increasingly polarised UK, I think that you get two extremes of opinion, which is for lots of British people, France is really aspirational. I think lots of British people would love to be French, basically, because they view it as more cultured. They view the food as unquestionably better. They view it as being very integrated into Europe.

[00:19:14.800] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

And a lot of those people, I think, would love to go back into Europe, back into the EU, and they go on holiday in France, and they really love French culture. Then I think you get another big chunk of people that view kind of France as everything that's wrong with Europe, everything that's wrong with the EU, always scheming against the UK. I think that you really do get really two big extremes now in a way that I don't know whether they're used to, this used to exist. But that is the sense that I get nowadays when I talk to people. You get some people who love it and some people who decidedly don't.

[00:19:55.060] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

That's really interesting. I remember a few years ago, I went to London - that was already post-Brexit. I thought, Okay, so I've lived in Paris for a few years, and I think it will feel like any big city in Europe would feel. And I wasn't expecting to be so, to feel so out of place. I don't know how you would say it, but in French, we have this word, this verb, actually, which is "depaysé(e)", when you feel like you're in a very, very foreign country country, something very different from home. The time zone was different, the money was different, the electric plugs were different. For a very short weekend, I thought that everything would be very easy. And for some reason, I really felt like it was so different from France, and I wasn't expecting that. I was expecting it to be just a big city, big capital in Europe, but it really didn't feel that way. I was very, very surprised.

[00:21:06.200] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Okay, that's really interesting because I'd never really considered that. I suppose, I mean, I've been to Paris, but I find-

[00:21:12.110] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

And the driving, sorry, I forgot the driving. That was dangerous.

[00:21:14.440] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

The driving? That was dangerous, did you say. Yeah, well, I mean, now actually, every time I cross a road, I look both ways, even if it's a one-way street, because I just have had so many near-misses.

[00:21:27.550] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Yeah, but it's a good thing that they write it on on the road because I almost got hit by a bus. Everyone on the sidewalk was behind me. They were all like, but nothing happened.

[00:21:42.320] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Especially because in the UK, there is a total culture of cross the road, as soon as there's a gap in the traffic, you cross. I don't know what it's like in France. In Spain, it's a little bit like people make up their own mind occasionally. But in Germany, as I've talked about before, even if there's no traffic, you are waiting on the side of the road unless you want someone to shout at you.

[00:22:00.780] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

We don't do it the German way. We just cross whenever.

[00:22:05.040] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

We haven't talked about Germany. Talking about Germany, do you think Germany might be the common enemy among many European countries? Because in Spain, at least for a while during the financial recession, we were really annoyed with Germany because all the decisions, all the cutbacks came from Germany. It was Angela Merkel forcing all these cutbacks on us. So we were like, again and again and again and saying to us, Oh, you are not productive enough. You are spending too much money on this. Obviously, for normal people, working-class people (it was) really frustrating seeing how you couldn't pay your mortgage and you were getting cutbacks on health education and all that. Was it the same in Germany, sorry, in France, the UK? Have you ever felt that Germany was the bossy country in Europe?

[00:23:05.220] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Not really.

[00:23:06.760] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

France is quite powerful, as well, so.

[00:23:08.860] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Yeah, that's the thing because they say, well, that France and Germany basically created the EU. And since then, they've become the powerful couple of Europe.

[00:23:23.200] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

Power couple.

[00:23:24.800] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Couple goals of Europe. But, so, we didn't see them as better than us, but more as we have to work with this country and take decisions together. Still, I think France always felt like a very quite powerful country in Europe. No, it didn't feel like Germany was the enemy.

[00:23:52.060] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

I suppose that, as you were talking about, France and Germany do have, in many ways, an equal relationship in the sense that now, for example, kind of, the military of France is taking on more importance potentially in Europe's future. And Germany, doesn't really have a military in the same sense. It doesn't have nuclear weapons. It is more reliant on France. I think France's foreign policy has always been arguably leading the direction of the EU's in many ways without getting too political about it. But I suppose the other thing, César, is that the UK always sat a little bit outside of these things because we never had the Euro. I don't think that we were involved in a lot of those decisions around debt levels. And, yeah, I think the UK liked to just sit on the side and veto things occasionally, basically, is my understanding of it, but who knows? You were going to say something though César.

[00:24:55.780] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

No, I was going to say, yeah, because Spain was poorer than France, Germany. In fact, I remember it just came to mind that they used to call us the PIIGS countries. PIIGS as an acronym of, not the animal, but Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain. But it was really unfortunate that they were using this acronym, calling us pigs.

[00:25:19.980] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

I always thought, and maybe this is a way for us to insult the Italians, I always thought the I was Italy.

[00:25:25.220] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

No, it was Ireland.

[00:25:26.440] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Oh, interesting.

[00:25:27.360] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

I never knew about that.

[00:25:28.940] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Well - what about the PIIGS? You'd never heard of the PIIGS?

[00:25:32.260] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

I think they did it on purpose. They could have chosen the (...).

[00:25:35.560] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

Yeah, exactly. I'm sure they did it on purpose.

[00:25:38.690] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

I'm sure they did. Well, Spain is having the last laugh now, César, no, because Spain is the fastest growing country in the EU.

[00:25:49.440] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

Apparently so. I think the new power couple is Pedro Sánchez and Macron, or Macron. Because I feel like Macron has a huge crush on Pedro Sánchez. If anyone can look up on YouTube Pedro Sánchez and Macron, every time he sees Pedro Sánchez, he's like, kissing him and hugging him. It's like a romance, political romance. It's really funny. It's like a huge meme in Spain.

[00:26:16.400] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

I haven't seen it. Has that got traction in France? 

[00:26:17.060] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

I haven't seen that. But he's good at public communication.

[00:26:23.220] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

Yeah, he is.

[00:26:24.940] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Well, I guess it's some of that Gallic charm, like French charm.

[00:26:30.440] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Do you call it a Gaelic charm?

[00:26:32.490] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

That French people, I have. Actually, that's one final thing that we can talk about just before we go, because what is the word in France? Is there an expression or a phrase for when people leave without saying goodbye to anyone at a party? You're sick of the party, you're done, you've drunk as much as you want to drink, you're like, I'm done, I'm going to go home. But I can't be bothered to say goodbye, because in Spain, for example, you would have to kiss every single person at that party.

[00:26:58.540] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

Otherwise, "tú te vas a la francesa", you go like the French way, we say.

[00:27:04.920] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Well, I was going to say because in the English, it's also a French Exit.

[00:27:08.260] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Yeah, in French, it's-we would say, filer à l'anglaise, so leaving English style.

[00:27:18.060] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

I'm pleased that we are important enough for French people to insult us in that way.

[00:27:22.640] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Actually many idioms with the word English, I think.

[00:27:29.440] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Okay, Lovely. All of them negative, I guess?

[00:27:34.700] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Probably.

[00:27:38.860] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Perfect. Lovely. Okay, well, before we do go, Elisa, I know you have your own podcast for people who are trying to learn French, and I'm sure there'll be many Europeans amongst them, so tell us more about the podcast. What's its name, the focus, and everything like that?

[00:27:57.000] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

The podcast is called French Mornings Podcast. I actually have a YouTube channel which is called French Mornings with Elisa, and I have a separate channel for the podcast. It's just French Mornings podcast, and it's available on YouTube and also on streaming platforms. And the idea is just that I wanted to talk about more cultural and historical topics in a very chill way. I also started interviewing people so that the students can listen to very authentic conversations with people who are really not into the education space. So they really don't pay attention to the way they speak, and they would use idioms without explaining them. So it's been really fun having these guests. Yeah, that's it.

[00:28:54.660] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

They're really fun to watch. Like I told you, when I do cardio at the gym, three times per week, because I always watch one episode. It's really useful to have the subtitles as well, like accurate subtitles in French. And even though it's like advanced French, it's easy to understand.

[00:29:11.860] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Oh, good.

[00:29:12.520] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

If you are intermediate like me.

[00:29:14.580] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

So thank you. You're welcome. Yeah, I know. You both are learning French. I'm happy that you're listening to the podcast.

[00:29:19.840] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Well, I was going to say, since César is learning French, when is he going to be a guest on the podcast? When are you going to do that, César?

[00:29:29.240] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

Maybe after Montpellier. I just need a couple of weeks in Montpellier.

[00:29:33.960] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Exactly, because we're putting our money where our mouth is and going and doing a residential language course to improve our French.

[00:29:42.160] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Exactly.

[00:29:43.200] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Elisa, for coming on the podcast. Why don't you sign us off in French, like something with a very beautiful French accent?

[00:29:54.820] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

Sorry. Should I say bye to everyone in French?

[00:30:00.400] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Yeah, just in a very nice (...).

[00:30:02.760] - Elisa (French Mornings with...)

(*Charms audience in French*)

[00:30:08.660] - Oliver (Host, E&B)

Well, lovely. How could anyone British hate that? Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

[00:30:13.880] - César (Spanish Language Coach)

You. Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye.